I'm going to leave these here. Don't click until you've completed
Watch teh vid
[Edit - Adding a few extra teasing tweets/quotes in]
and something else I found interesting;
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic ... /9727423/1
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7920772/1/
Feel any different? The pieces of the puzzle are all there throughout the game, just don't believe everything you see as truth and take it all at face value. If more people gave these possibilities some thought before instantly deciding they hate how it ended maybe they'd see things differently.
[Edit - Adding a few extra teasing tweets/quotes in]
https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/177942797880541185 wrote:Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.
http://twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179686320568926209 wrote:Player: Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough
Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different.
https://twitter.com/#!/ReanKnopke/status/180481635479859201 wrote:I don't think anything you saw/read/heard today should make you sad about the endings. Some theories still hold true
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don't take it completely at face value. There's definitely some underlying messages you should be taking away when credits roll.
https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179681231766695936 wrote:Player: I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing.
We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter.
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179772663923875842 wrote:Player: Destruction: mission first. But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
are you sure he went meekly into the night?
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180483674523975680 wrote:the answers are there if you are looking for them.
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179808402011193344 wrote:Yeah, because the relays were destroyed I either a: destoyed all life quickly or b: sentenced them to extinction. Quarians..
are you absolutely sure about that?
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180484660671942657 wrote:Player: You are the sole source of hope for all of us looking for an appropriate ending for ME3. I hope you know this when you toy.
I never toy. I'm trying to help guide you to see what I see
https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179399052948025344 wrote:Player: its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she with me
Probably a good thing to be cautious of.
http://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/179828285327409152 wrote:Player: Just finished ME3. I didn't know my squadmates could teleport...strange, innit?
not teleporting - can't explain now though to keep my feed spoiler free
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180485663106416640 wrote:Player: It was renegade red, but that confused me. TIMs choice was definitely more "wicked", yet it was blue. Anderson isn't bad!
yeah that is weird................ did it make you think anything?
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180485999791570945 wrote:Player: Visualization of Anderson was tinted red, a la renegade; TIM's visualization was blue. Likely trickery by the child, though.
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180487856366694402 wrote:Player: I also got the feeling he was playing up my ego for the control one. TIM wasnt strong enough but you are. Not fallin for it.
wooo!!!
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180484513019854850 wrote:Player: "Final Hours" seems to definitively state that the ending on the disc was planned and final. So long
how does that make indoctrination theory impossible???
https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180480992006508544 wrote:Player: When is BW going to be allowed to break the silence?
did you see the forum posts today? First in a series of steps ::) Batarian smiley!
http://twitter.com/#!/BioEvilChris/status/179967731070799872 wrote:There are two types of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
So they even state that they were experimenting with this, it doesn't mean it's still not happening, it's just less in your face now = better/more subtle.ME3 TFH wrote:in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).
and something else I found interesting;
too;mayrabgood wrote...
So a few days ago a few member in the Kaidan thread were discussing what the Normandy crashing in a jungle, beachy, paradise looking planet could mean. They came to the conclusion that in Shepards mind as she/he is dying or being fully controlled, is that Shepard is putting the people she most cares about in a safe haven. The beach seems like a recurring theme in the game with characters mentioning it.
Mordin- saying he'll retire to the beach and study sea shells
Thane- prays to the Goddess of oceans and in his letter if romanced says...I will await you across the sea
Garrus- mentions a tropical place
James- mentions a bar in Rio or something like that
Jacob- talks about the Meditteranean
Kaidan- says something about owning or parents owning beachfront property
Tali- in Rannoch after joining Geth and Quarians, Shepard asks if she will shop for a new house and Tali says "Beach front property"
Don't know if other characters mention it that I have noticed.
So in Shepard's last moments she wishes and imagines all her friends safe in that beach, tropical place eveyone talked about.
*all these speculations came from the Kaidan thread especially from frylock23, so it didn't come from me*
But don't they make some sense to the Normandy crashing in this paradise planet with your LI and people you had fighting alongside you back on Earth?
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic ... /9727423/1
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7920772/1/
Feel any different? The pieces of the puzzle are all there throughout the game, just don't believe everything you see as truth and take it all at face value. If more people gave these possibilities some thought before instantly deciding they hate how it ended maybe they'd see things differently.
Maybe I have watched too many shows like Lost with reading into things a bit too much but this is something I considered myself in the closing moments of the game and a theory I'm buying into.
Whether it's really the case or not is another thing but I love "endings" like this which get people talking, even when they don't turn out to be true it can be really fun speculating them. This seems to be exactly what Bioware were after and has achieved. They wanted and expected these reactions. Now if the theory IS true they're either going to leave the "ending" as it is and let fans interpret (Like The Sopranos ending when it suddenly cuts to black.), which I'd be fine with personally. Having answers on a plate and everything wrapped up doesn't always give the best ending. Or, which could be what some twitter hints are pointing towards, give us the true ending/epilogue later. There's been a lot of negativity towards the ending(s) and Bioware themselves but I won't be jumping on the hate bandwagon. People shouldn't be so quick to judge. If it's the latter I don't see it as them releasing an alternative ending which some people have been whining for but that if those final 10 minutes were due to this then we haven't seen those final events yet. Also they could be undecided themselves. Perhaps the whole indoctrination theory is true but part of their watching of fan reactions was to gauge whether they should do the latter.
When I first saw The Sopranos ending I was furious ("what the f???!") because it was ambiguous and I took it as there being no closure after sooo many years. David Chase (creator) has only ever said "If you look at the final episode really carefully, it's all there.". He has not said another word since, not even to confirm or deny what may or may not have happened in those final moments. When I opened my eyes and saw things differently I completely changed my mind. It's daring, unique and a great piece of art in itself and I would not change a thing. Looking back I'm glad he didn't come out and hand it to me on a plate and tell me what his intention was and what happened. I see the "ending" of ME3 in a similar manner. This is a possibility and if you're prepared to consider the theory there are clues which lend credence to it and give another way of looking at the end. Looking at it like this maybe it would be better to just leave it and have it speak for itself.
Either way ME3 has had me thinking all afternoon. The game was fantastic overall I thought, it's just the final 10 minutes which will be the deciding factor on whether they are infact geniuses or not, which I think they are. If I'm to take the ending at face value and true then yeah, it could have been better and offered more closure but even then I can't say I hated it. That being said I really do think the indoctrination theory is highly plausible and that this was their plan all along.
Anyway, I firmly believe this to be true and it would be a brilliant move on their part if it is. It would also be amusing for the people who have been slagging them off to end up with egg on their faces because a lot of the hate would be unfounded. If it's wrong, it's wrong and us believers will be the ones looking foolish, but it won't change the fact that I loved the the game and the current ending they gave was provocative and memorable as it stands. For now I'll sit back and continue to watch the reactions and wait and see if Bioware pull out the ace from their sleeve which I think they will, but when they've given other players enough time to finish the game and see their reactions too.
Ofc if Bioware do release a true ending/epilogue as DLC to fill in these blanks it'll have some people complaining again, if they charge for it or if they think this sucks even more. If it was under any other circumstances I would complain too but think about that for a minute. If they did it would have given them much longer to work on the real ending and/or decide whether they should or leave as is, it won't have been spoiled when all of that story info was leaked way back so it would remain secret and they not only portray Shepard as being tricked/manipulated into believing everything he's seeing is true but they in turn do exactly the same and indoctrinate the viewer themselves, quite brilliant. Similar things have been done in movies before, like Inception which leaves the viewer questioning reality or dream, but how many games have managed anything like this before?. Nearest I can think of is the Arkham games when they try trick you into thinking the game has restarted/ended for a few seconds but even that's not a very good example. Am I the only one who thinks a move like this would have been a fantastic idea for storytelling in a video game?
Then again whatever they come out and say (whether this is true and we are/aren't getting DLC, or whether this theory was actually rubbish and we are/aren't getting a new ending or an epilogue to extend it) some people will no doubt find something to bitch & complain about. Atm I'm perfectly happy believing what I do until they speak up or come out and say it is bollocks but when it comes down to it they can't please everyone whatever they do.
I happened to think the ending to Lost was beautiful and fitting, despite the lack of answers and still leaving many questions, but some fans raged and were unhappy with it, sadly. However the writers stuck to their guns, they set themselves a timeline and an end date, wrapped the show up the way they had envisioned and they told the story they wanted to tell. I respect them for that just like I'll respect Bioware for whatever they decide to do. If those endings are it and we're grasping at straws so be it, I'm not going to turn against them for it and I won't be one asking them to give me an alternative ending should that be the case either, and I don't think they should however many fans keep requesting them to. Just like I wouldn't expect a director to change the ending to their film because I or many others happened to think it was shite, have an author rewrite the ending of their book because I think it should have ended differently or an artist to repaint some of their painting. I play and try to make my own choices in their games and I'm free to decide whether I like it or not but it's their work, not mine. I wouldn't want or expect them to go back and change things if that's how they really wanted it. Sure it may be nice, work out much better, please more players and be a nice gesture on their part to do such a thing for their fans but why the hell should they?. And when so many people have reacted the way they have at the devs for it too if I were them I just wouldn't bother doing anything of the kind. <censored> em. - And that's not the people who just didn't like the ending and have expressed so btw, as that's their right. I'm just referring to the people who take things too far and get nasty with insult throwing and slagging them off to no end across forums/twitter etc. No need for it imo.
anyway.. Have said enough for now!
Lets see what happenes... lol
Whether it's really the case or not is another thing but I love "endings" like this which get people talking, even when they don't turn out to be true it can be really fun speculating them. This seems to be exactly what Bioware were after and has achieved. They wanted and expected these reactions. Now if the theory IS true they're either going to leave the "ending" as it is and let fans interpret (Like The Sopranos ending when it suddenly cuts to black.), which I'd be fine with personally. Having answers on a plate and everything wrapped up doesn't always give the best ending. Or, which could be what some twitter hints are pointing towards, give us the true ending/epilogue later. There's been a lot of negativity towards the ending(s) and Bioware themselves but I won't be jumping on the hate bandwagon. People shouldn't be so quick to judge. If it's the latter I don't see it as them releasing an alternative ending which some people have been whining for but that if those final 10 minutes were due to this then we haven't seen those final events yet. Also they could be undecided themselves. Perhaps the whole indoctrination theory is true but part of their watching of fan reactions was to gauge whether they should do the latter.
When I first saw The Sopranos ending I was furious ("what the f???!") because it was ambiguous and I took it as there being no closure after sooo many years. David Chase (creator) has only ever said "If you look at the final episode really carefully, it's all there.". He has not said another word since, not even to confirm or deny what may or may not have happened in those final moments. When I opened my eyes and saw things differently I completely changed my mind. It's daring, unique and a great piece of art in itself and I would not change a thing. Looking back I'm glad he didn't come out and hand it to me on a plate and tell me what his intention was and what happened. I see the "ending" of ME3 in a similar manner. This is a possibility and if you're prepared to consider the theory there are clues which lend credence to it and give another way of looking at the end. Looking at it like this maybe it would be better to just leave it and have it speak for itself.
Either way ME3 has had me thinking all afternoon. The game was fantastic overall I thought, it's just the final 10 minutes which will be the deciding factor on whether they are infact geniuses or not, which I think they are. If I'm to take the ending at face value and true then yeah, it could have been better and offered more closure but even then I can't say I hated it. That being said I really do think the indoctrination theory is highly plausible and that this was their plan all along.
Anyway, I firmly believe this to be true and it would be a brilliant move on their part if it is. It would also be amusing for the people who have been slagging them off to end up with egg on their faces because a lot of the hate would be unfounded. If it's wrong, it's wrong and us believers will be the ones looking foolish, but it won't change the fact that I loved the the game and the current ending they gave was provocative and memorable as it stands. For now I'll sit back and continue to watch the reactions and wait and see if Bioware pull out the ace from their sleeve which I think they will, but when they've given other players enough time to finish the game and see their reactions too.
Ofc if Bioware do release a true ending/epilogue as DLC to fill in these blanks it'll have some people complaining again, if they charge for it or if they think this sucks even more. If it was under any other circumstances I would complain too but think about that for a minute. If they did it would have given them much longer to work on the real ending and/or decide whether they should or leave as is, it won't have been spoiled when all of that story info was leaked way back so it would remain secret and they not only portray Shepard as being tricked/manipulated into believing everything he's seeing is true but they in turn do exactly the same and indoctrinate the viewer themselves, quite brilliant. Similar things have been done in movies before, like Inception which leaves the viewer questioning reality or dream, but how many games have managed anything like this before?. Nearest I can think of is the Arkham games when they try trick you into thinking the game has restarted/ended for a few seconds but even that's not a very good example. Am I the only one who thinks a move like this would have been a fantastic idea for storytelling in a video game?
Then again whatever they come out and say (whether this is true and we are/aren't getting DLC, or whether this theory was actually rubbish and we are/aren't getting a new ending or an epilogue to extend it) some people will no doubt find something to bitch & complain about. Atm I'm perfectly happy believing what I do until they speak up or come out and say it is bollocks but when it comes down to it they can't please everyone whatever they do.
I happened to think the ending to Lost was beautiful and fitting, despite the lack of answers and still leaving many questions, but some fans raged and were unhappy with it, sadly. However the writers stuck to their guns, they set themselves a timeline and an end date, wrapped the show up the way they had envisioned and they told the story they wanted to tell. I respect them for that just like I'll respect Bioware for whatever they decide to do. If those endings are it and we're grasping at straws so be it, I'm not going to turn against them for it and I won't be one asking them to give me an alternative ending should that be the case either, and I don't think they should however many fans keep requesting them to. Just like I wouldn't expect a director to change the ending to their film because I or many others happened to think it was shite, have an author rewrite the ending of their book because I think it should have ended differently or an artist to repaint some of their painting. I play and try to make my own choices in their games and I'm free to decide whether I like it or not but it's their work, not mine. I wouldn't want or expect them to go back and change things if that's how they really wanted it. Sure it may be nice, work out much better, please more players and be a nice gesture on their part to do such a thing for their fans but why the hell should they?. And when so many people have reacted the way they have at the devs for it too if I were them I just wouldn't bother doing anything of the kind. <censored> em. - And that's not the people who just didn't like the ending and have expressed so btw, as that's their right. I'm just referring to the people who take things too far and get nasty with insult throwing and slagging them off to no end across forums/twitter etc. No need for it imo.
anyway.. Have said enough for now!
Lets see what happenes... lol