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I want him OUT. NOW.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:06 pm

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As of thi smoment - Rybock has destroyed the trust I hold for anyone. I have removed all characters I suspect of being his alts - they will be reinstated once it's proven they are not. I want his name taken off our memberslist.

He abused my trust and the Biggies name to get in. He then invited Mathew V Smith from Clan DoY onto his characters while they were clanned. They were unable to access any facet of the clan as I didn't trust him nough to give him any access in the first place. Bigs - please PM when you can.

Gryphon.

Logs.

This is just before I logged out to post this.

12-11-2005 18:25:15 > DIRECT> Invinci : hello?
12-11-2005 18:25:18 > CLAN> Stalking Butler : cool
12-11-2005 18:25:25 > but bigs recomended him - thats what I don't get
12-11-2005 18:25:33 > CLAN> Stalking Butler : im kinda standing giard here, incase one of his guys shows up :-)
12-11-2005 18:25:44 > Dude
12-11-2005 18:26:10 > what you did was out of order - do you know the damage that Mathew V could have done if he wanted to?
12-11-2005 18:26:11 > FACTION> Sanityislost : :P
12-11-2005 18:26:19 > DIRECT> Invinci : lol
12-11-2005 18:26:24 > no lols abou tit.
12-11-2005 18:26:26 > DIRECT> Invinci : dont lecture to me about this lol
12-11-2005 18:26:27 > *about it
12-11-2005 18:26:32 > DIRECT> Invinci : i had my account
12-11-2005 18:26:33 > DIRECT> Invinci : rank 14
12-11-2005 18:26:38 > DIRECT> Invinci : for several months
12-11-2005 18:26:49 > DIRECT> Invinci : with 3 rank 14 members of doy using my characters
12-11-2005 18:27:00 > Why?
12-11-2005 18:27:09 > DIRECT> Invinci : because i was multi clanning
12-11-2005 18:27:10 > DIRECT> Invinci : i was in doy
12-11-2005 18:27:14 > these logs are going up
12-11-2005 18:27:15 > DIRECT> Invinci : but i started ssx
12-11-2005 18:27:22 > NO. you didn't
12-11-2005 18:27:27 > DIRECT> Invinci : as a pertentially better clan
12-11-2005 18:27:31 > sept 04
12-11-2005 18:27:44 > DIRECT> Invinci : thats not what i mean and u kno it
12-11-2005 18:27:53 > DIRECT> Invinci : why are u making this a battle?
Last edited by Gryphon on Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:25 pm

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Who're they?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:38 pm

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I'll post some logs later. And wait for Bigs to say something.
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Re: I want him OUT. NOW.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:12 am

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Gryphon wrote:As of thi smoment - Rybock has destroyed the trust I hold for anyone. I have removed all characters I suspect of being his alts - they will be reinstated once it's proven they are not. I want his name taken off our memberslist.

He abused my trust and the Biggies name to get in. He then invited Mathew V Smith from Clan DoY onto his characters while they were clanned. They were unable to access any facet of the clan as I didn't trust him nough to give him any access in the first place. Bigs - please PM when you can.

Gryphon.

Logs.

This is just before I logged out to post this.

12-11-2005 18:25:15 > DIRECT> Invinci : hello?
12-11-2005 18:25:18 > CLAN> Stalking Butler : cool
12-11-2005 18:25:25 > but bigs recomended him - thats what I don't get
12-11-2005 18:25:33 > CLAN> Stalking Butler : im kinda standing giard here, incase one of his guys shows up :-)
12-11-2005 18:25:44 > Dude
12-11-2005 18:26:10 > what you did was out of order - do you know the damage that Mathew V could have done if he wanted to?
12-11-2005 18:26:11 > FACTION> Sanityislost : :P
12-11-2005 18:26:19 > DIRECT> Invinci : lol
12-11-2005 18:26:24 > no lols abou tit.
12-11-2005 18:26:26 > DIRECT> Invinci : dont lecture to me about this lol
12-11-2005 18:26:27 > *about it
12-11-2005 18:26:32 > DIRECT> Invinci : i had my account
12-11-2005 18:26:33 > DIRECT> Invinci : rank 14
12-11-2005 18:26:38 > DIRECT> Invinci : for several months
12-11-2005 18:26:49 > DIRECT> Invinci : with 3 rank 14 members of doy using my characters
12-11-2005 18:27:00 > Why?
12-11-2005 18:27:09 > DIRECT> Invinci : because i was multi clanning
12-11-2005 18:27:10 > DIRECT> Invinci : i was in doy
12-11-2005 18:27:14 > these logs are going up
12-11-2005 18:27:15 > DIRECT> Invinci : but i started ssx
12-11-2005 18:27:22 > NO. you didn't
12-11-2005 18:27:27 > DIRECT> Invinci : as a pertentially better clan
12-11-2005 18:27:31 > sept 04
12-11-2005 18:27:44 > DIRECT> Invinci : thats not what i mean and u kno it
12-11-2005 18:27:53 > DIRECT> Invinci : why are u making this a battle?


I'm really confused by this, and I stand by Gryphon's decision.

Apparently Invinci (real name Rob) thought he had some proprietary right to our clan... Strange considering I had to boot the only people he recruited...

Hybok being clanned in DoY with his alts (like Invinci) wasn't an issue when it was just me and him when the reborn SSX was becoming active again. Since we've gotten our members back and we have our clan apt sorted, this was going to pose an issue for us. I know from chatting with monkeymagic (main alt is clown from DoY) this morning that Rob (Invinci/Hybok) was booted from DoY for his behavior and causing problems for that clan.

I was moving towards booting him anyway because of his lack of accountability as of late. For instance, he took 5mill from the bank--4mill was my money, then when I asked him to return it, he told me it was gone (just this past Saturday). That pissed me off.

Hybok has been really strange lately and I've been losing trust in him anyway--that's why I put him at rank 3 so he didn't have access to the clan bank anymore (did that about 2 weeks ago).

For the record, he wanted my account info when we started the clan up again and I told him I don't give my account info to anyone.

The only one that does have my account information is Anubis, and previously Dan had my account info. Gryphon is welcome to my info.

I hope this post makes my stance on this clear.

BTW, I moved Phayse up to Rank 14--didn't realize you were at 13.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:29 am

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Yeah - I feel stupid for kicking off about it, but he didn't seem very trustworthy - he was set at level 1 access for his short stay, the premise being that he would be abe to talk to you about his rank Bigs.

I trust your recomendations from people, thats why I let him in - but seeing as yuo knew him better I thought the ranking was best left to you. He's a nice enough bloke, it just seems that he's got a blatant disregard for any sort of rules :p

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:45 am

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Although being aware of who he was I'd never actually met the guy, strange since he was an EU player and meant to be helping build up the clan again. At any rate allowing DoY members to access his account whilst rank 14 in the SSX isn't on, they could have done anything (and I'm surprised they didnt try anything considering some of DoY I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them). Good call Gryph :thumb:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:39 pm

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It wasn't even a good call, I should never have invited him in without Bigs being around to verify. :sweat: Close call is more like it! :p
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:31 pm

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Problem solved minus the money they ripped from us.

Best to learn from it and move on.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:43 pm

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I'd recommend not giving bank access to people until they've been in the clan for a while, know exactly how we work, and you feel they are 100% trustworthy too. Better safe than sorry imo. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:07 pm

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Yep - it's the way we've operated so far. ;D
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:35 pm

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That sucks. Just lucky they only took some money. Sad that you can't even trust people in your own faction. (correct me if I'm wrong but I thought DoY was Ressi's clan?) :shake:
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:27 pm

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DoY is Ressi's clan, but unfortunatly past experience shows she struggles to maintain control over certain members of it... :blank:
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:12 pm

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I had a direct Convo today - I will post it up. I have encouraged some sort of explanation here.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:19 pm

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Hi guys, This is Invinci, Lure, Muse, Hybok whatever ROB Smile

Seems to be a hell of alot of confusion. clan has moved so fast in my inactive weeks.

Okej all the points if i can remember them.. regarding access to my accounts.

I clearly stated upon "creating" the clan with bigs that all my accounts are access by rank 14 doy memebers. And in that stage of it.. it was just me and bigs.. and some quick pvp mad people i added that i prob shouldnt have added.

Regarding Doy "kicking" me. There were 2 generals of doy.. that decided not to like me for some reason one night. names.. Collen and Monkeymagic(clown). Doy has had major problems with this. infact there was a protest where 7 members of the clan basically shot off at ressi for 3 hours or so because of my kicking. So bigs i think your asking monkeymagic for a judgement of my behaviour.. prob isnt the best judge of character for me.

account access.. i have changed my passwords for all my accounts now.. when the incodent happened that phayse is tlaking about.. matthew was on my account.. he was the only person that had access t omy account at that time. i gave him access because he wanted some constructing and researching diong and i was busy. he is a very dear friend of mine.. and although he is general of doy he wouldnt do and has never done anything to my accounts that could be compromising..

As for stuff being stolen and what have you. I have no idea abot this all i kno is i come back.. and 2 of my 4 accounts are totally striped.. i kno this is on ressis orders.. she says she is "holding" the stuff for me.. this includes the 5 million that bigs was tlaking about.. I did expain that to him on saturday maybe he thought i was lying or whatever. but ask ressi yourself.

But other than that. phayse and myself seem to get on alright. and i respect his discision to kick me because of account access conflicts.. as i have been kicked off doy now. there will be no problem with account access conflicts. bigs.. be around more lol!

I was pleased with the activeness of the clan when i returned. pretty cool. u all seem like very nice people.

anyway i hope this solves some problems. i state again

For 3 weeks or so. i wasnt online. gbut people may have used my accounts.. people like monkeymagic and ressi from clan doy. bare that in mind please guys.

rob x

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:04 pm

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Hi Rob. Sorry to see things turn out as they did. If you and Gryphon can sort things out, then things are cool with me too.

I heard you had a lot of stressful stuff going on IRL so I'm sorry for your stresses.

You said "
So bigs i think your asking monkeymagic for a judgement of my behaviour.. prob isnt the best judge of character for me."


I didn't ask clown (monkeymagic) about anything, he just DM'd me the other night telling me his side of the story. I didn't even know I didn't pass his word as my own, I just repeated what he said
"I know from chatting with monkeymagic (main alt is clown from DoY) this morning that Rob (Invinci/Hybok) was booted from DoY for his behavior and causing problems for that clan."

You said
"I clearly stated upon "creating" the clan with bigs that all my accounts are access by rank 14 doy memebers."


This is new information to me. If I knew that any other clan had access to your SSX characters, I would have objected then. I remember you telling me people had access to Invinci, but I was under the understanding that you had multiple accounts.

Rob, please post here once you've read this so I can move this topic into the members-only forum. No need in letting everyone else know your/our personal business.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:45 pm

hybok
Good. Erm. regarding the missing 5 mill from the clan bank. I do have no idea where it has gone.. but i have made it up. and i can contribute it back to the clan bank.. I suspect someone that had access to my account took it tho. since i havnt bough tnaything of value for ages..

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:47 pm

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Well - it's up to you bigs - I don't mind if you don't I've never disagreed with ya about anything, and i'm not going to pick up the habit ^^

I will make several requests though.

Rybok, dude. I want a guarantee that no one but you will be on any of your accounts. That is my main issue. Also before anything goes along, I'd like the rest of the clan to have a say, i don't belive that this should be based on the fact that I had a bitchfit, it's unfair on the opinions of others.

If no on ehas any objects then fine - I can't say any fairer than that.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:50 pm

hybok
That i can garentee. AS i said.. i planed on only having high ranking ssx members to have access to my account.

and not really a bitchfest.. you just kicke dme bcause u thought i compromised the clan. notjhing wrong with that. if we have sorted it out. i respect your discision.. u appologised for being full hearted.. and. so. its forgotten in my eyes.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:05 pm

hybok
Right about the money that went missing. phayse says that we dont need it back.. but ressi and myself have been trying to scrape it together.. as it was my responsibility to pay it back.. but i do deffinatly kno.. that ressi DID NOT take the money. it must have been another doy member. but. if the clan wants it back. they shall get it back? so what shall i do?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:12 pm

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Well - we have plenty in the bank, But I'll leave this to the clan again methinks. I'm not the boss :sweat:

EDIT

Well - I talked to ressi - she's not too happy. She believes there are allegations of theft against her. Rybok, she said she lent you 4 mil to give o us. I think it's best if you give it back to her. I'll make up whats missing from the bank if I have to.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:44 am

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Gryphon wrote:Well - we have plenty in the bank, But I'll leave this to the clan again methinks. I'm not the boss :sweat:.

There is no boss you big sillyhead ;)
I'm ok with the money loss. What say the rest of you? Anyone besides me and Gryph have anything to say?

Gryphon wrote:Well - I talked to ressi - she's not too happy. She believes there are allegations of theft against her. Rybok, she said she lent you 4 mil to give o us. I think it's best if you give it back to her. I'll make up whats missing from the bank if I have to.

The money is water under the bridge, let's leave Ressi out of this. Very nice gesture of her, but please return her 4 mill if she lent it out.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:18 pm

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I'm leaving this one up to you two, I'm not sure either way myself.

As for Ressi, I'll DM her later ingame and clarify that we aren't out for her blood. Worry not.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:49 pm

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Rightio then.

Things to do Rob :p

1) Get that 4 mill back to Ressi
2) Brush up on the guidleines we have, we ain't nazi's but somethings we won't bend on, or tolerate.

Once everythings smoothed out, let me know and I'll clan you, but please, no more sillyness or you'll be on yer ass me laddo :p

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:29 pm

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Spoke to Ressi earlier, all is cool :)
"Perhaps this is what I have always wished for since that day. The loss and destruction of all. That's right, one must destroy before creating. In that case, if my conscience becomes a hindrance to me, then I will simply erase it. I have no other choice but to move forward....therefore!" - Lelouch vi Britannia/Zero, Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:32 pm

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Rybock is the guy who stole the 4 mill in the first place.

Unless I'm missing something, the asshole made out with 8 million then?


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