Simply rebrand as "Shattered Star" leaving the members of each division to choose their own suffix to fit the style of game they are playing. Not saying we should rebrand the MWO division now but, as an example, wouldn't it have been nice to have been able to theme the name to fit the Battletech Universe? As also pointed out in chat =SS= is not a great moniker to use so I would suggest that the third word is compulsory.
Existing groups can keep their name without feeling alienated by any changes, new groups get the creative wriggle room to show their personalities whilst new members get to distance themselves from a history they weren't involved in or don't care about.
Its a bit of a cheat but this way we're not dropping the SSX name or reverting to SSC which seems to be the crux of the problem.. instead we are just relaxing the rules over how each game manages its own community and identity.
M.Steiner wrote:I didn't really want to be the one to bring this subject up again but since we always said we'd revisit it given the previous split vote, now is as good a time as any I think. It has been well over 2 years since we last had this discussion, believe it or not.
Star Citizen may not be 100% complete and out the door as a finished project yet but it is already becoming a thing for us and looks certain to be the home of our next group if all goes to plan. A few of us have already been playing Arena Commander together in there on a regular basis (more are welcome to come join!), we've been sharing stuff over on our YouTube page along with social media and yesterday we opened up our Star Citizen organization. We're going to be known as the Shattered Star Community in there, SSC as short.
When we were planning to go by the name "Burning Stars" and I was uploading videos to YouTube to that affect, I made a separate version of our YouTube intro with a little note to say that the Burning Stars were "A Squadron of the Shattered Star Exiles". So as to not confuse people seeing the Exiles name elsewhere. Going back to do the same for the Shattered Star Community is going to sound a little weird I think.
If it were written the other way around it would look and sound fine though:
- Shattered Star Community - A Squadron of the Shattered Star Exiles.
But having Community be a group/division/squad of the Exiles sounds really weird and confusing to me.
- Shattered Star Exiles - A Squadron of the Shattered Star Community
- Burning Stars - A Squadron of the Shattered Star Community
We have the "Shattered Star Community" above the door here and re-claim our =SSC= tag along with it. The group as a whole would be identified as the community it is rather than having the Exiles up there which we can all agree from previous discussions has very split meaning and importance among us all. Exiles means more to some than others, in some cases has a different meaning or intention attached to it entirely and some of us don't care for the name at all or identifying ourselves with it. I think we're always going to be split on the Exiles name and our previous talks have pretty much proved that. As such I want to try and stay clear from us focusing on that too much as it's something we'll never agree on. Whatever the case, in the 11½ years I have been part of the the Shattered Star we have always referred to our home and our group as a whole as the "community". It's what we are and always have been.
If one of our groups in the future wants to go by a particular tag/name, that's cool. Like the examples above, one of our groups could decide to continue using the Exiles name if they wanted but we bring people back into the "community". The Shattered Star Exiles in X Game(s) would be a group(s) within the Shattered Star Community. Same again with the Burning Stars example, Exiles of the Shattered Star, The Shattered Star, or any other variations people choose to use in the games they play. We as a whole all come together as the Shattered Star Community. SSC.
NF wrote:First off I just want to highlight the commitment and effort of those few who have kept the lights on here when interest waned and numbers dropped. I can't imagine the frustration they have endured and salute their drive to get us back on our feet. If that core group see this change as the necessary next step for the group then I will not stand in the way. As a result my view is definitely in the camp that a rebrand is a good thing - if only because those in the know say it is.,
M.Steiner wrote:If people really want to go down the road of discussing other names besides Community then who am I to stop you all?. I'd just be disappointed if we're going to start throwing polls aside otherwise why bother having them?. Why propose something and have peeps vote as a group if we're then going to do something else?. I think my proposal post and poll question were pretty clear to be fair
M.Steiner wrote:If people really want to go down the road of discussing other names besides Community then who am I to stop you all?. I'd just be disappointed if we're going to start throwing polls aside otherwise why bother having them?. Why propose something and have peeps vote as a group if we're then going to do something else?. I think my proposal post and poll question were pretty clear to be fairAnubis wrote:Hmm, yeah. I couldn't agree more, but as I and others have said it's strange and frustrating this principle hasn't been applied over this particular issue in the past.
Anubis wrote:I'm sure though that now that this particular decision has been reached, the issue won't be brought up again. Strange that.
Isileth wrote:Thirdly, and I believe this is related to the rushed implementation, was further decisions being made without input from the rest of the group. We have names like Shattered Star Comm, SSCOMM, ShatteredStar97. Redesigned logos, banners and images suddenly popping up. While i'm not suggesting we need to set up a 2 week consultation to decide exactly which shade of blue we use in our banner, I do feel these changes are big enough to warrant gathering at least some input from the rest of the group. Even if its just a quick post on the forums or maybe just getting a bit of input from those in irc at the time. We should strive to make sure we are acting together and not just one or two people forging ahead with their own implementation.
NF wrote:Secondly can we stop talking about Twitter handles or Steam groups - No one cares what the exact twitter handle is or how the steam group is named. It is the name change behind the new handles that is still the sticking point.
Thirdly I have a positive history with the SSX and proudly tell people about it. I'm not the only one - just because YOU might not have a history with the name then that does not mean you should ignore the feelings of those who do. People have it embroidered on hats and fixed as their Xbox Live usernames.
The upshot of all this is that I want to echo Isi and would like to see some more discussion around the name.
Anubis wrote:1) Don't change account configs or URLs without letting me know so we can be sure stuff won't break.
2) It's very hypocritical to claim now that the voice of the people must stand and no discussion can follow.
M.Steiner wrote:One thing though. If we vote to brainstorm other naming options and not simply go with what the Community proposal poll had decided for us (like we did when the result was to keep the Exiles name previously), we should keep this in mind for future votes. Polls have always been the way a group decision has been made here and the results of those have always been carried forward (at least to my memory). Last time we had a vote on this the decision was final and no further discussion took place until now. If we're tweaking those rules then we have to remember this for future. It can't just be for this instance because some people are on the "losing" side this time. We could run into problems if we do that though and that would be my worry. If a poll isn't definitive then how is a decision made final?. The arbiter has the final say?. There will always be people voting for or against something so it will be hard to decide when we should or shouldn't do that and we couldn't do it all the time otherwise it'd be pointless having them in the first place heh.
Anubis wrote:I intend to play no part in any discussions about a change.
Anubis wrote:It's none of my business what you do beyond the admin changes as I've no intention of participating.
NF wrote:Anything I can do to assist? Happy to take on any jobs you might have.
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